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Anti-gay marriage forces use Vineland as home base

Minutemen, gay groups prepare for blitz of fall activity

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Two years ago, Jason Scalzi volunteered to serve a tour with the Air National Guard in Iraq.

Now back home, the 35-year-old has signed up for what he says is a moral battle on home soil: He has enlisted as a Minuteman - that is, a Marriage Minuteman.

That name may sound fierce - and so does Scalzi when he discusses his opposition to marriage between same-sex couples.

"We want to stop any redefinition of marriage that happens without a public vote," he said.

Scalzi said he does not know what the Minutemen's fight will entail. For now, he expects to write letters to officials, make phone calls reaching out for support and volunteer whatever time he can.

As the state Legislature may debate the legalization of marriage for gays and lesbians during the lame duck session, Scalzi's hometown of Vineland has become an unexpected base of strong opposition.

Scalzi belongs to Chestnut Assembly of God, a local Pentecostal congregation that has taken the statewide issue to heart - and to City Hall.

Twenty months ago, the church's pastor, the Rev. Ralph Snook, led a movement to ask Vineland's city government to pass a resolution defining marriage as being between one man and one woman.

Although the resolution has no legal weight, City Council passed the resolution with only one dissenting vote - making Vineland one of just two municipalities in the state to have taken a local stance against the redefinition of marriage.

That symbolic move caused Steven Goldstein, chairman of Garden State Equality, which advocates for legalized same-sex marriage, to say he decided to give Vineland "very special attention."

A year and a half later, that attention has raised the volume of debate on both sides, and also made churches the front lines in the debate.

Both sides anticipate a blitz of fall activity, discussing whether gay couples should receive the rights available to married couples - including hospital visitation and other rights not given to partners in legal civil unions. And today, the Marriage Minutemen, despite being a small group statewide, have more than

10 percent of their members living and congregating in and around Vineland.

Scalzi says his devotion to marriage came out of his time at the church - where he first acknowledged his own failings as a husband.

"I realized that volunteering for Iraq without consulting my wife was not very considerate, or good for my marriage," he said. As he was counseled in part by Marilyn Snook, the wife of the church pastor, Scalzi said he came to regard marriage as "a precious tradition."

Meanwhile, the Snooks' church has become influential because of its cooperation with the New Jersey Family Policy Council, a pressure group based in Parsippany, Morris County, which has made the blocking of same-sex marriage - what it calls the "defense of marriage" - a priority.

The council created the Marriage Minutemen group but has watched the idea take off in Cumberland County, where pastors say large Hispanic and black populations boost church attendance.

"There's no doubt support in Vineland is strong," said Greg Quinlan, director of government affairs for New Jersey Family First, the NJFPC's legislative action arm. Two years ago, the council first hosted a meeting at the Snooks' church in Vineland, at which Marilyn Snook said they discussed trying to pass the city resolution.

"We knew of one other town to have done it, and that's why we did it," she said, referring to Elizabeth in Union County. "For a sort of moral support."

On Aug. 18, leaders of the Family Policy Council returned to the church to discuss what action to take if lawmakers tackle the issue. About 150 Minutemen and women attended the meeting, Quinlan said - a significant portion of the statewide membership of 1,400. A similar meeting in Bridgeton recently drew only about 30.

Snook, who believes that homosexuality is not innate and can be cured, also said she had no problem with discussing politics from a pew. "I don't believe that church and state should ever be separate in the way it's interpreted today," she said Sunday. "In fact, we're happy to bring this up, because we want to talk about that. This is a moral issue."

But this flurry of activity has only spurred on gay activists, who have extended their reach into the southern part of the state.

Leslie Green, who started in January as field manager for the southern office of Garden State Equality, has expanded its outreach operation to hear firsthand from locals of all political stripes. "Unfortunately, our region is very spread out," she said Sunday. But from the group's offices in Collingswood, Camden County, Green has been making incursions into the Snooks' backyard.

"We've been stopping by every large event we can, where we can talk to a lot of people and really hear from those who have questions," she said.

Vince Grimm, the executive director of GABLES in Cape May, says that increased level of visibility is overdue: Since lesbian and gay community groups closed in Vineland and rural parts of Cumberland County, his group has a number of members from Vineland.

Through volunteering and cultural events in Cape May, "We give back to this community," he said, noting that Vineland has had no similar group building those bridges.

This year, Green and other volunteers have stopped at the Cumberland and Salem county fairs. There, she said, what surprises her is how many people she meets who have no strong opinion.

"I found it hilarious and surprising at first," she said of talking with those undecided on the issue. "But I think that shows the movable middle is a lot bigger than you might anticipate."

Green claims that is true even among the local religious community: While Chestnut Assembly of God has contacted at least six other local pastors for support, Goldstein and Green said they count members of two dozen religious denominations among their 38,000 members, and they have reached out to Lutheran congregations in the Vineland area.

"A lot of religious people are far more liberal than others in the population," Goldstein said.

Nevertheless, Quinlan thinks the Family Policy Council has built a network of congregations at Chestnut Assembly of God and others across the state, and said they collectively work as the council's base.

"You don't have to be a Christian to be a Marriage Minuteman," he said Friday. But he acknowledged that the packets of information distributed make reference to Christian values twice on the first page.

"They're written for churches," he said. "That's mainly where we go."

E-mail Juliet Fletcher:

JFletcher@pressofac.com

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17 comments:

  • avatar ACBT54 (20) posts 8:56 am

    WHY WOULD ANYONE CARE WHAT ANOTHERS RELATIONSHIP IS CALLED???WHAT ABOUT STRAIGHT PEOPLE WHO JUST LIVE TOGEATHER FOR YEARS ARE THEY HORRIBLE TOO?? SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS,MAYBE THEY CAN SPEND IT HELPING OUT HOMELESS OR SOUPKITCHENS,OOPS THOSE HORRIBLE PEOPLE ARE THERE!!!!

  • avatar idiotsamongus (62) posts 8:08 am

    i am so glad i used this handle to post comments on the Press's website. it has been proven correct in nearly 3/4's of the time by reading the posts on here or written Letters to Editor. Yabo692 clearly illustrates and reaffirms my choice. what a bunch of nonsensical rhetoric. did you even read what you wrote? "States gave those rights, also known as civil unions, but that was not enough. Now they want the term marriage. When is enough enough. People say that those opposed to homosexuals who are given the right to be married feel there will be harm. The harm is the fact that a marriage is a religeous ceremony between a man and a woman. It is not ecologically correct to be homosexual. " I dont know which part i find more crazy; the "ecologically correct" part is quite amusing. But, nontheless, you make my point about MARRIAGE is a RELIGIOUS CEREMONY. Period. All this crap about gays marrying is nothing more than discrimination and hate - plain and simple. You say "mr. scalzi does not judge". well, he does. If i were to stand up and say "Blacks should NOT marry whites" i would be hunted down and tarred and feathered because it expresses BIAS, HATRED and DISCRIMINATION. Anyone that wishes to deny anyone else the SAME EXACT RIGHTS that another group has, its DISCRIMINATION. how stupid do you have to be NOT to get that point?? oh yeah - its true - idiots are among us.

  • avatar EqualityRules (1) posts 7:07 am

    What utter drivel these 'defenders of marriage' spout when they force their discrimination on us... making US (the ones being discriminated against) to be the ones in the wrong?! I don't think so. Marriage should be legal for both straight and gay couples. Those that seek to stop this put themselves squarely on the side of bigots and then complain because people call them just that! Gay people ask for nothing more than the SAME rights that straight people have, and anyone that argues otherwise is a liar, and simply functioning in bigot mode!

  • avatar Mike_in_Ventnor (13) posts 11:18 pm

    It’s simple. If you like gay people and feel that everyone should be treated fairly, then you want gay people to have equal rights which includes the right to call their relationship the same thing that all couples call their relationships. If you don’t like gay people, then you don’t want gays to have equal rights. Jason Scalzi does not support equal rights obviously. So it’s clear he doesn’t like gays. Call him a hater. Call him a bigot. Call him a homophobe. It’s all the same thing. If Jason Scalzi lived in the 50’s, he would have been opposed to desegregation and interracial marriage.

  • avatar EagleinFla (1) posts 11:12 pm

    Jason Scalzi, Stand up for what you believe in. I feel sorry for people like tinkerbell & the goose in the closet. They don't have a clue or any morals to pass judgement on you!

  • avatar yabo692 (1) posts 9:57 pm

    Alot of you are calling Jason a bigot. Jason is by no means a bigot. The problem here is gays and lesbians wanted the same rights as those who are "married". States gave those rights, also known as civil unions, but that was not enough. Now they want the term marriage. When is enough enough. People say that those opposed to homosexuals who are given the right to be married feel there will be harm. The harm is the fact that a marriage is a religeous ceremony between a man and a woman. It is not ecologically correct to be homosexual. Now some people are going to say there are traditional couples who are not able to have children and that is true, but if they did not have a medical condition, they would. I do not have a problem with homosexual people or couples, but it has gone from something you ocassionaly had to interact with to something which is being shoved down your throat. Now in health class, it is part of a childs education to be taught about homosexuality. It is sad that our government does not feel people are entitled to have things specifically for one type of group, and force those beliefs on everyone. I do feel that same sex civil unions are ok. I don't agree with the lifestyle, but if you love someone, you are entitled to certain benefits even if both people are the same sex, but let those who view marriage as a union between a man and a woman and those who are the same sex can have unions. Recognize the union and give the same benefits, just a different title. Sadly it appears most people who get married anymore dont view that marriage as a sacred and important part of their life. For those of you wanting to bash jason for having problems in his marriage. Try to comprehend this thought. Everyone has problems in a relationship. Argument is not about marriage meaning everything is perfect, but I guess obtusegoose has a perfect relationship with whomever they are involved with. Mistakes happen, no one is perfect, but he at least had the wllingness and faith to fix his marriage and not just throw in the towel. He is not and never has judged anyone, he is just stating and standing up for what he believes in.

  • avatar obtusegoose (2) posts 5:25 pm

    Mr. Scalzi and other "defenders of marriage" seem to assume, with no basis in fact to support their assumption, that legal recognition of same-sex marriage will cause harm to so-called traditional marriage. It's something that is heard repeatedly. But when asked for specific examples of the harm to traditional marriage that can be directly linked to legal recognition of same-sex marriage we get silence in return. The reality is, if a gay couple living down the street from Mr. Scalzi gets married, it will have absolutely NO effect on his life what-so-ever. How could it? His argument is that traditions should never be changed. This is a false assumption. Traditions are constantly changing throughout history. We all know that enslaving human beings was a tradition. Disenfranchisement of women was a tradition. Racial segregation in public schools, in public accommodations, in housing and in employment was a tradition. Forced childhood labor was a tradition. Traditions change for a reason. Obviously, Mr. Scalzi is uncomfortable with the idea of gay people being given the same rights and privileges that he currently enjoys. Being 'uncomfortable' is not a valid reason to discriminate against people.

  • avatar obtusegoose (2) posts 4:18 pm

    So, Mr. Scalzi failed as a husband. He realized his failure, yet has the audacity to make a claim of the 'sanctity of marriage'. Someone should also inform him that civil rights are not a popularity contest. A democracy is not 'majority rules'. Our system protects the minority from the oppression of the majority. Based on Mr. Scalzi's position, interracial marriage would never been allowed. 70% of the public didn't approve when the Supreme Court legalized it. As for his church saying, "...that homosexuality is not innate and can be cured." That speaks volumes about how uneducated Mr. Scalzi is. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows that you can't change your sexual orientation, and ex-gay therapy is ineffective, damaging to the person, and is a lie perpetrated by the church.

  • avatar Mike_in_Ventnor (13) posts 3:56 pm

    minuteman = homophobe

  • avatar Disgusted American (3) posts 3:26 pm

    How about this Ahole use all his precious time helping out at a Food Bank,soup kitchen/homeless shelter...? Oh nooooo, that's right...these Hollier then thou nitwits feel they have a Right to Judge others...hmmm, what would Jesus do?

  • avatar Disgusted American (3) posts 3:22 pm

    First off after reading this,and being from S.NJ, Glassboro....I know now to AVOIF all areas of Vineland...NO longer will any business in Vineland get my money,I'll drive past & thru there before they ever see a penny of mine. NJ does NOT need this Hater/Bigot who obviously has NO life of his own spreading BS/Discrimination and Hatred throughout South Jersey. These people seem to forget the LGBT people are no Aliens...they are our family members,neighbors,friends,Dr's,nurses..etc etc...Equality for ALL in NJ..let's show them & the Nation we are NOT Hicks/Hillbillys!

  • avatar idiotsamongus (62) posts 7:41 am

    it never ceases to amaze me just HOW effing stupid people really are. Apparently, this Jason Scalzi was given something much more righteous than the rest of us to be able to pass judgement on other's to seek and obtain the SAME EXACT rights as the 'straight-marriage' advocates. as a married, straight woman, i am disgusted to actually breathe from the same atmoshpere that Scalzi and other religious nut-cases spout on and on and on about "special rights" being afforded to gays. who in hades cares what two other adults do in the privacy of their own home and get the SAME EXACT rights as me and my husband?? JoeJoeRising - you hit the nail right on the head. Lets TAKE AWAY the 1000 +/- "rights" afforded to the straight-majority because of the religious intoned MARRIAGE and see how quickly MARRIAGE equals everyone.

  • avatar roller137 (269) posts 8:41 pm

    I believe that civil unions are constitutional and legal. I have no problem with same sex unions or even gay adoptions. Having said that, I believe that the radical hardliners in the gay rights movement want to use the government to force the word "marriage" only because it offends the religious values of many faiths. That is a violation of church and state as well, and I have a real problem with that!

  • avatar todfiat (0) posts 5:48 pm

    homosexual marriage -- the love that knows no tax deduction. A problem in search of a solution, for America's wealthiest demimonde. Homosexuals need marriage like a fish needs a bicycle. Who's kidding whom? it's America's biggest con, a way to undermine like termites the foundation of "straight" society's marriage-family nexus. The homosexuals' obsessive-compulsive disorder, and lust for $$$ deductions, is the raison d'etre. The rest is rhetorical camouflage.

  • avatar joejoerising (6) posts 5:28 pm

    I got a novel idea for both sides to consider as a supporter of gay marriages. Why don't we just take away the privlages for those individuals in a marriage. In other words do not allow for special hospitilization visits for a spouse, no special tax credit for a spouse or a child, a spose can no longer decide the fate of a partner. This way EVERYONE has equal treatment and it follows the founders of this country intention to keep church and state seperate.

  • avatar FlexSF (1) posts 11:18 am

    Dear Jason Scalz, I'm not interested in the fact that you served in Iraq. It didn't have any impact on making our liberties better or worse. Also, we're not interested in asking for your permission to get married, via a vote, or anyone else's permission. Somebody lied to you when they made you believe that you hold some sort of power of us. You don't. Get a life, or get a wife. We will either receive our rights through the legislature or the court system, and we're not interested in your disgusting opinion!

  • avatar CornetMustich (1) posts 9:20 am

    Kudos to New England, Iowa and the Episcopal Church for supporting marriage equality. And congrats to all the couples who are coming to CT to wed this summer from all around the country. In many cases they have brought their families and friends along to celebrate with them. And some of these couples have been together for 38, 45 and 46 years. Joe Mustich, Justice of the Peace, Washington, Connecticut, USA. And lets not forget that marriage is firstly a civil matter, as marriage licenses are issued by and recorded in town halls not church halls, or mosques or temples in America. And to the marriage foes and sexually phobic, please find something else to do with your time, because life's too short. Find love...

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